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Ben encore heureux :D

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Aujourd'hui le cash, demain l'argent (silver) et depuis l'or?

 

N'est pas populaire initialement, mais gouvernement et les médias diront: "c'est pour éliminer _______________" et tous accepteront

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Aujourd'hui le cash, demain l'argent (silver) et depuis l'or?

 

N'est pas populaire initialement, mais gouvernement et les médias diront: "c'est pour éliminer _______________" et tous accepteront

Bien sûr. C'est comme ça que ça marche pour tout.

Et ça explique pourquoi la guerre contre le Bitcoin se met doucement en place (pas trop vite, il faut que les politiciens qui ont des thunes puissent en profiter d'abord).

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La lutte de l'état contre le cash

... c'est actuellement, par définition, la lutte de l'état contre la monnaie papier/pièces de l'état.

 

Comme tout ce que fait le public, c'est complètement débile.

 

L'état (et les banques) s'imaginent que 99% va se convertir dans les modes de paiement captifs qu'ils contrôlent.

Ils vont passer les moutons depuis un enclos un peu trop lâche, vers un enclos mieux grillagé.

Je parie qu'au contraire, l'un des 1° effets concrets de cette lutte de l'état contre sa propre monnaie fiduciaire, va être de créer l'opportunité pour plein de gens de sauter le pas vers des soluces alternatives.

ça va favoriser grandement l'émergence de tous les autres modes de paiement.

Le transfert des moutons ne va pas du tout se passer comme prévu.

 

ça ne se fera pas tout seul.

Il y aura/a du frottement et de la perte au début.

On essaie de s'accrocher à la monnaie fiduciaire dont on a l'habitude

et puis à force de prendre des coups sur les doigts

on commence à comprendre que, oui, aussi con que ce soit,

l'état lui-même ne veut plus de cette monnaie

et nous rend effectivement la vie pénible avec icelle.

 

Mais on n'est plus en 1930.

Il y a des dizaines de soluces alternatives (cartes, smartphones, autres monnaies papier, etc)

L'état est en train de donner un coup de fouet formidable à tout ce secteur.

 

Quand ces débiles vont se réveiller,

ils constateront qu'ils ont réduit en cendre leur monnaie fiduciaire (outil qui avait plusieurs siècles).

... mais ce sera trop tard.

 

L'immense connerie de l'état et sa rapacité sans limites ni morale,

au XXI° siècle, c'est un super accélérateur de technologies.

 

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Il y a des dizaines de soluces alternatives (cartes, smartphones, autres monnaies papier, etc)

 

Heu, à part choisir une monnaie étrangère (dollar...), les cartes ou les "smartphone" c'est sous contrôle de l'Etat.

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https://mishtalk.com/2016/12/07/india-confiscates-gold-even-jewelry-in-raids-on-hidden-money/

 

"India confiscates gold, even jewelry, in raids on hidden money."

 

 

After declaring large denomination notes illegal, India now targets gold. It’s not just gold bars or bullion. The government has raided houses, no questions asked, confiscating jewelry.

Vauriens!

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Ca, ça cache de gros problèmes financiers. Et vu le rapport des indiens à l'or, je doute que ça se passe bien.

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Oui ça risque de mal passer auprès de la population. On verra si les tensions avec le Pakistan remontent histoire de détourner l'attention.

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Hop Hop Hop, le vénézuela s'y met :http://www.lemonde.fr/ameriques/article/2016/12/14/les-venezueliens-se-pressent-aux-guichets-de-banques-pour-echanger-les-billets-de-100-bolivars_5048847_3222.html

 

Bon après, c'est le retrait du billet de 100 bolivars alors qu'ils vont bientôt imprimer des 20 000 bolivars  :D

 

 

 

Signe de l’effondrement économique du pays, le billet de 100 bolivars permet à peine de s’acheter un bonbon. Il en faut 500 pour avoir un hamburger. A partir du 15 décembre, les nouvelles coupures iront jusqu’à 20 000 bolivars, pour suivre le rythme effréné de l’inflation.

 

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Je me demande si la vraie raison de cette démonétisation (lol les "mafias internationales") serait qu'ils sont aussi en pénurie de papier  :icon_mdr:

 

Du coup ils auraient besoin de ces billets de 100 pour les recycler en coupures de valeur faciale plus élevées  :icon_volatilize:

 

 

 

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Je me demande si la vraie raison de cette démonétisation (lol les "mafias internationales") serait qu'ils sont aussi en pénurie de papier  :icon_mdr:

 

Du coup ils auraient besoin de ces billets de 100 pour les recycler en coupures de valeur faciale plus élevées  :icon_volatilize:

 

Tu fais l'hypothèse qu'il y a encore des boites capables d'imprimer de la monnaie au Vénézuela, et qu'elles soient suffisamment dingues pour accepter un contrat public sous le gouvernement Maduro.

 

Lol.

 

 

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Lol.

 

Oui  :icon_mdr:

 

Je n'arrive pas à comprendre la raison de cette démonétisation... tu as une idée?

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Lis le fil sur le Venezuela.

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Oui  :icon_mdr:

 

Je n'arrive pas à comprendre la raison de cette démonétisation... tu as une idée?

 

Maduro est un idiot en pleine crise d'hybris entouré d'autres idiots en crise. C'est l'équivalent intellectuel d'un appendice abdominal inflammé. Un cul de sac purulent qui ne demande qu'à exploser pour couvrir de merde tout ce qu'il y a autours.

 

A ce stade, ça ne sert plus à rien de chercher à comprendre ce qui se trame dans sa tête ...

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J'ai effectivement l'impression qu'il est pote que Mugabe.

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20161204_cash.jpg

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-04/these-countries-have-nearly-eliminated-cash-circulation

 

Pour la construction du "cost of cash score", voir ici l'exemple du calcul pour les USA (page 13 notamment). C'est en gros l'addition du [cout du] risque de se faire tirer son cash et du menkaganiai pour l'Etat à cause du marché noir.

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European commission - Proposal for an EU initiative on restrictions on payments in cash
 

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Options of a legislative initiative
Restriction versus declaration

As preventing the anonymity linked to cash payments is the main driver, the objective can be attained by restricting cash payments through an EU legislative instrument, and thereby forcing payments through means that are not anonymous (bank transfers, checks, etc.). But the same objective could also be attained by, while still allowing unrestricted cash payments, imposing a declaration to a competent authority. This would allow the continuous reliance on cash payments, with its benefits in terms of simplicity and cost.
It could also constitute a more effective measure compared to a pure restriction, by inducing declaration by honest parties to any transaction, if the declaration had to be made independently by all parties to the payments (any party to a transaction could be enticed to still accept cash under the pressure of the other party, while such other party would have less control on whether the first party effectively filed a declaration).
However, the obligation of declaration would also have drawbacks.
First, it would impose an administrative burden on businesses and citizens and require organising the treatment of the numerous declarations (monitoring, investigation, etc.).
Second, it would raise the question of the consistency and redundancy with existing national restrictions on cash payments, which ideally should be then abolished to still pursue an internal market objective, or with the obligation to declare cash when crossing borders.
Finally, the obligation to declare payments in cash rather than restricting them has not been implemented by any MS, nor promoted by the law enforcement community, which could indicate that they consider such measure as less efficient than a simple restriction.
When considering a restriction or a declaration obligation, the following options are also faced.

Level of the threshold

Existing national restrictions on cash payments vary widely.
The higher the threshold, the more the convenience of cash transaction is preserved, but the higher the risk that criminal cash transactions fall through the net. The level of the threshold would also depend on whether it relates to a full restriction or only to a declaration obligation,
in which case it could be assumed to be lower.

Single threshold or variable threshold per country within some bandwidth

A single threshold is necessary to simplify existing practices, avoid distortions in the Internal Mark
et and facilitate compliance by citizens. However, it must be observed that a single threshold may not take into account the diverging purchasing powers, payments practices and availability of alternative payment means in the EU.
Variable thresholds could be contemplated either directly through the EU initiative, or by setting a highest limit and allowing Member States to establish lower ones.

Application to all transactions or only to transactions including a business party or specific businesses

While applying restrictions to all transactions would constitute a significant simplification, current national practices often differentiate transactions between purely private persons, which are sometimes exempted of any restriction, and transactions that include one or more business parties, or specific business sectors.

Exemption of non-residents

Because a restriction on cash transaction supposes the availability of alternatives means of payments, non-residents are sometimes excluded from the restriction because they are deemed not to have easy access to the domestic banking system.

Alternative policy instrument

Restrictions on conducting large payments in cash could be advocated at EU level through a Commission recommendation. However, considering the existing divergences, it is doubtful that such recommendation would lead to an adoption of harmonised restrictions in all EU Member States.
Self-regulation does not appear to be a viable option considering the objectives pursued (fight against criminality and terrorism). None of the participants to high value cash transactions would have any incentive to adopt such behaviour.

Alternative policy approach

Abolishing altogether the use of cash would reach the objective pursued, but would lack any proportionality since cash payments still constitute a major mean of payments firmly grounded in every day's life, for which alternatives have all some drawback, in particular for smaller payments. Compatibility of such abolition with current Treaties could also be challenged.
Restrictions on large payments in cash could also be pursued by withdrawing the availability of high denomination banknotes, which facilitate the conduct of large cash payments. The ECB has already decided to progressively phase out the €500 banknote. But as long as cash exists, large payments will remain possible even with lower denomination banknotes, which only render the transaction more cumbersome, but not impossible.5

Options that take account of new technological developments

In view of the development of cryptocurrencies and the existence of other means of payments ensuring anonymity, an option could be to extend the restrictions to cash payments to all payments ensuring anonymity (cryptocurrencies, payment in kinds, etc.).
On the other hand, restrictions on cash payments could promote the development of alternative payments technologies compatible with the non-anonymity objective pursued.

 

Ils n'ont pas vraiment choisi la recette mais, en tout cas, ils aiguisent les couteaux.

 

A noter aussi

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It  should  also  be observed   that   national   restrictions   to   cash   payments   were   never   successfully   challenged   based   on   an infringement to fundamental rights.

 

edit : trouvé dans les documents de la commission des affaires économiques, la date à laquelle tout ça doit se préciser
 

Citation

 

Relevant general objective 5: A deeper and fairer EMU

Specific objective 5: Improving the efficient functioning of the EMU  (Related to spending programme PERICLES)

Activity 15: Protecting the euro against counterfeiting and managing the euro cash policy and legislation

Main outputs in 2017:

Important items from work programmes/financing decisions/operational programmes


Output / Indicator /Target

Impact assessment on EU cash payment limitations / Impact assessment + legislative proposal published / Q3 2018

 

 

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http://www.zerohedge.com/print/603692

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Swiss Mystery: Someone Keeps Flushing €500 Bank Notes Down The Toilet

 

 

J'ai un gros paquet d'argent pas clair en billet de 500. Ces derniers seront bientôt interdits à la circulation. Merde, je ne peux pas les déposer. Merde, je ne sais pas qui contacter pour les blanchir. Allez, merde, aux chiottes les billets.

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